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I don't think you're qualified to start this thread Balon :ninja:

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Don't think there is going to be too much talk about transfer in this thread.  :ninja:

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Don't think there is going to be too much talk about transfer in this thread.  :ninja:

 

:lol:  ;)

 

There could be more than one team in Europe suffering from this before the season's ended!!! :ninja:

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I think Harvey will be pissed when he realizes you are doing his job mate.

 

Heads will roll :ninja:

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I think Harvey will be pissed when he realizes you are doing his job mate.

 

Heads will roll :ninja:

 

 

I've placed my head on the wood! Enter Sandman! ;)

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I think Harvey will be pissed when he realizes you are doing his job mate.

 

Heads will roll :ninja:

 

 

Harvey has no authority in this section, it was taken over by Rebel forces ages ago :thumbup:

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What do you know, we're doing team threads for La Liga now too. Nice! Took long enough for someone to get off his lazy arse and do this.

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What I want to know is why did Barca steal the Forest Green Rovers badge?

 

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I shouldn't have answered this comment, but I just have!   :doh:

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Once is enough mate!  :huh:

 

We'll just move one because "Barça Es Mes Que Un Club" ;)

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In denial and decline: Not even Guardiola could solve the Barcelona crisis

 

 

The Catalans are set to end the season without a major trophy after losing the Copa del Rey final to Real Madrid, highlighting the need for sweeping changes at Camp Nou

 

 

Perhaps Pep Guardiola was right. Following four fantastic years in which he became Barcelona's most successful coach with 14 titles out of a possible 19 and a style of football envied throughout the world, the former club captain left his job. "I could no longer motivate the players," he said.

 

 

Guardiola knew exactly how he wanted to play and set about creating the greatest Barca side in history. Within his first 15 months, he had won it all. But less than two years after his departure, that team is now in disarray.

 

 

Badly beaten by Bayern Munich in last season's Champions League semi-finals, when they went down 7-0 on aggregate, Barca were forced to scrap their plan for continuity as Tito Vilanova suffered a relapse of his cancer in the summer. 

 

 

The Barca board had been powerless to prevent Pep's departure, but picking Vilanova seemed like the next best thing. Instead of addressing the needs of the team, however, Barca were clinging desperately to past glories, papering over the cracks. In denial and in decline, the appointment of Vilanova vindicated president Sandro Rosell as the Catalans claimed La Liga with a joint-record 100 points, but behind the scenes, all was not well.

 

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Grey days | Martino looks unlikely to last much longer at Barca

 

 

The Bayern debacle was only part of it. In 2012-13, Barca beat Real Madrid only once in five fixtures, lost at AC Milan and scraped past Paris Saint-Germain on away goals. Against the biggest teams, Guardiola's Barca invariably produced their brilliant best. But when faced with similarly tough tests, Tito's team toiled. 

 

Vilanova's appointment was a risk in the first place after Pep's assistant had taken time out for cancer treatment during 2011-12. A relapse before Christmas 2012 meant more time off was needed and this time Barca were left without a leader and with no clear contingency plan.

 

That hardly helped their cause but equally cannot be used as an excuse. Vilanova's decision to sign Alex Song as cover for midfield and defence is one the club are still paying for. Yet other pressing needs were also ignored and Messi's great goalscoring feats distracted from what was really going on,

 

 

So eager to prove themselves post-Pep, some of the missing motivation of which Guardiola had spoken returned and in La Liga at least, all seemed well.

 

 

In truth, though, Tito's team had ridden their luck through a number of games in the first round of the Primera Division, with the issues in defence and an ageing midfield, plus over-dependence on an over-burdened Messi who subsequently suffered injury not especially evident while results remained good.

 

 

But the damaging defeat to Bayern brought Barca back down to Earth with a bang, while the 3-1 semi-final loss at home to Madrid in the Copa del Rey was also painful. "Winning La Liga and getting to two semi-finals is still a very good season," Vilanova said. But in reality, only the first half of the season had been positive, with an incredible 55 points from 57 in La Liga. The second part had yielded just 45 and brought lacklustre losses in the cup competitions.

 

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Messi-dependence | Vilanova's side were hugely reliant on the Argentine

 

 

When Tito was forced to step down, the Barca board panicked again, this time picking Gerardo Martino as coach. The appointment of the Rosario native and former Newell's boss had nothing to do with Messi nor the wish to keep him happy, the club insisted. But as former Spain midfielder Albert Luque said during a debate on television: "Can you imagine Martino at Barca if Messi wasn't there? Impossible."

 

Like Vilanova, Martino started well and for a long time the Argentine coach enjoyed positive results, yet there was a lingering feeling that Barca were not completely convincing - even when they beat Manchester City in the Champions League and won 4-3 at the Bernabeu last month.

 

 

And so it proved as, within the space of one woeful week, Barca's season has imploded. The Champions League exit at Atletico was a shock, but more worrying still was the form of Messi and his partnership with summer signing Neymar and their failure to score, which was repeated on Saturday in the Liga loss at Granada that leaves the Catalans virtually out of contention in the title race.

 

 

That saw Johan Cruyff call for the return of Guardiola as coach and the logic is there for all to see as Barca slipped to a third defeat in a row by losing to Madrid on Wednesday. "The best thing for Barcelona is for Guardiola to come back," the Dutchman said this week.

 

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Popular | Guardiola is the most successful coach in the club's history

 

 

Would Pep have settled for Barca's insipid first-half performance at Mestalla? Not likely. Would he have allowed Dani Alves to make a video of himself singing and dancing and fooling around in club attire the night before the crucial Champions League clash at Atletico? No way. Would he have bought Alex Song as a solution to Barca's problems in central defence? It's hard to imagine.

 

One of Guardiola's conditions for staying at Barca was a revolutionary renewal of the playing staff, with several first-team members to be put up for sale. But Alves, Gerard Pique and Cesc Fabregas are all still at Camp Nou and Pep is not.

 

 

At Manchester United, Sir Alex Ferguson sold David Beckham because he considered the midfielder was focusing more on off-the-pitch activities than football. Guardiola fell out with Pique for the same reasons, while he grew disgruntled with Alves' attitude (as Barca have this season) and was unhappy with Fabregas' commitment to the cause.

 

 

But on top of that, this is not the same squad which wowed the world between 2008 and 2011. Captain Carles Puyol is no longer good enough even for this team when there are injuries, when before he was one of the game's greatest defenders, while Xavi remains important but is also a fading force in his twilight years and committed players like Eric Abidal and Seydou Keita are no longer at the club.

 

Meanwhile, Messi has been injured, Neymar's signing seems to have rocked the boat with the Argentine and others at Camp Nou, and other sides are also now finding out how they can deactivate this team. Additionally, most of these players have won it all and are older now, while poor planning of the squad means there has been no evolution. And, as if that weren't enough, many of the first team seem to be conserving energies for the World Cup.

 

When he took over at Barca, Guardiola could see the potential in this golden generation and knew the seeds for success only needed planting and then nurturing for great growth to be achieved. He then saw the same at Bayern, where Heynckes' superb side were already the finest in Europe even before they won all their trophies last season.

 

But as he looks back with interest at Barca, Pep won't be seeing something similar right now at Camp Nou. So will he come back? One day, sure. Will that be soon? No - and why would he want to? With the Catalan club in such a state, a whole new project is needed, not to mention elections and a change at boardroom level. And all of that takes time, so as things stand, Guardiola is better off where he is and even if he did return, there would be no quick solution to the Catalans' crisis.

 

 

 

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http://www.marca.com/2014/04/17/futbol/equipos/barcelona/1397754363.html

 

Barça is missing Neymar and Alba for more than 3 weeks!!

 

Bad for Barça, as they were the only players who looked to be actually trying in the last games.

Another defender out! :lol: OMG! This is serious... Thank god we've already qualified for the Champions League. :ninja:

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Barcelona announced on Thursday that Neymar will be out for four weeks after a bruise led to swelling on the fourth metatarsal of his left foot.

The club also announced that Jordi Alba has a right hamstring injury and could be out three to four weeks. The injuries would appear to rule both players out of the league games against Athletic Bilbao, Villarreal and Getafe, and raises doubts over their ability to feature in the final two games, which come at Elche on May 11 and then at home to Atletico Madrid on May 18. Brazil's Neymar and Spain's Alba should both be back fit in time for the World Cup starting on June 12. Centre-back Marc Bartra has also been battling a right hamstring injury and did not train on Thursday. His participation in Sunday's match vs. Athletic is uncertain. Neymar was visibly hobbling after Wednesday's 2-1 loss to Real Madrid in the Copa del Rey final. Neymar smashed the post in Barca's last goal attempt, but the ball landing safely in the hands of Iker Casillas before any Barca players could capitalise.

Due to the injuries, Barcelona coach Tata Martino added four players from Barca B for training: Sergi Gomez, Carles Planas, Edgar Ie and Frank Bagnack.

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This club is going doooooooooooooooooooooown like the Titanic! Sounds to me like neymar is being a lil bitch...

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Barcelona need to start bleeding youth into the team again. There are plenty there ready to make the step up. No point buying all these big money signings any more either as 90% of them turn out crap these days and simply can't adapt well to the system other than special cases and money needs to start being used far far more wisely. Better bleeding players into the side from a young age as it works out better. Might mean a few mediocre seasons but it'll be a bright future.

 

 

Think of how much money Barcelona have actually wasted in the last 5-6 years and how much(or little) the majority of these signings have actually done. The main success has came from the la masia backbone rather than the money spent. It worked well at one point when it came to spending but doesn't seem to in recent times and for me it's a waste of money in the majority of the cases. The prices for players is ridiculous these days for what they actually are, which is humans and not super hereos. Why spend so much on them when you can produce ones yourself who are more suited options?

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Neymar being out is a good thing.

 

 

 

 

Just watched them. It really was a perfect season. What would you say their best season was in that era?

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Barcelona need to start bleeding youth into the team again. There are plenty there ready to make the step up. No point buying all these big money signings any more either as 90% of them turn out crap these days and simply can't adapt well to the system other than special cases and money needs to start being used far far more wisely. Better bleeding players into the side from a young age as it works out better. Might mean a few mediocre seasons but it'll be a bright future.

Think of how much money Barcelona have actually wasted in the last 5-6 years and how much(or little) the majority of these signings have actually done. The main success has came from the la masia backbone rather than the money spent. It worked well at one point when it came to spending but doesn't seem to in recent times and for me it's a waste of money in the majority of the cases. The prices for players is ridiculous these days for what they actually are, which is humans and not super hereos. Why spend so much on them when you can produce ones yourself who are more suited options?

I agree with everything you have said and last night Cadena SER's night sport program 'El Larguero' had two important Barcelona specialised journalists debating all of this for half an hour. Both Jodi Martí (although he was overly harsh on Tata Martino) and Marcos López spoke briefly about the many things that haven't been looked into at Barça for a number of seasons and how it was the renewal of the team that fundamentally pushed Pep Guardiola out of the door. They place a lot of the blame at the feet of Sandro Rosell in how he manipulated the club into acting upon his vision which was all based on marketing and not the good of the club in the sporting sense and then he jumped a sinking ship when things got sticky like a coward. Infact the only one good thing that can be attributed to Rosell was depoliticising the club that Joan Laporta had created during his tenure to levels that were unliveable. But Laporta in the sporting sense was excellent and unfortunately thought he could also use the club to become a beacon of "Catalan Separatism" and a tool to push his political career. Guardiola wanted Cesc Fábregas out (he didn't sign him), he got upset about the sale of Chigrynskiy, he didn't want Dani Alves at the club anymore and he had already given Piqué an ultimatum in terms of his professionalism toward his career off the field (Guardiola thought his off the field celebrity status was destroying his level and affecting the team). There were many other things and I'm not just saying this because I'm trying to produce a Guardiola defence post. Just stating it because these and many aspects are the ones that have been the "dry rot" in the first team at Barça. The answers are in the club and they start with using what no other football club has in the world which is La Masia. Edited by SirBalon
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Tata was a shocking appointment though. You could understand  them having Tito as he'd worked under Pep. But after that you need to go for someone experienced. Surely he has to go in the summer? I wonder if they'll try and get Simeone? He'd be perfect and i'm sure he'd get them organised again and get the hunger and motivation back, which is clearly lacking under Martino. I'd be very very shocked if he's still there by the start of next season.

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All the media that surrounds the club expects Tata Martino to be out. Infact by the sounds of it, Tata himself had decided to not take up the second year option on his contract a couple of months ago. He doesn't understand the Spanish press and he was warned many times at the start of the season that as Barcelona coach (the same goes for any big club in Spain) you must isolate yourself from the press at all times and only liaise with them when club obligations demand it for press conferences and interviews. He wasn't able to do this and any criticism of how the team was performing or the methods, wasted him away because he'd come into press conferences all wound up and the journalists would use it as a tool to eat him alive. There are other professional sporting questions about his football methods and the lack of understanding of how to use some of the players. He committed various errors in team selections and even tried hardline tactics on the team and you can't do that with the players he had. It all has to be a halfway house between moulding yourself to the players you have and trying to make them see what you want. Too many errors!

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Tata was a shocking appointment though. You could understand  them having Tito as he'd worked under Pep. But after that you need to go for someone experienced. Surely he has to go in the summer? I wonder if they'll try and get Simeone? He'd be perfect and i'm sure he'd get them organised again and get the hunger and motivation back, which is clearly lacking under Martino. I'd be very very shocked if he's still there by the start of next season.

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Cruyffists would like to see the coach of Brighton & Hove Albion as Barça coach.

 

So-so player, I don't know a thing about his coaching career at all.

 

Anyways, cruyffists don't hold the power these days.

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Barcelona are not having a trophyless season at least, there is the Supercopa...well not victory exactly, but yeah it's there!

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Neymar being out is a good thing.

 

 

Just watched them. It really was a perfect season. What would you say their best season was in that era?

 

 

That(2008-09) and the 2010-11 I'd say. Both of them 2. Hard to pick out of them. A treble is a treble to be honest so that would go just above.

 

 

But these 2 performances were simply phenominal in 2010-2011:-

 

 

 

 

Just noticed. On that 5-0 video up there t he commentary has been edited! When Jeffren scored he originally said "Adriano has scored", then 2 mins later "sorry it's Jeffren", but on that he says Jeffren straight away and talks about "another player from the youth". I'd never noticed before that sky edit cock-ups when they show re-runs/highlights of games.

 

I agree with everything you have said and last night Cadena SER's night sport program 'El Larguero' had two important Barcelona specialised journalists debating all of this for half an hour. Both Jodi Martí (although he was overly harsh on Tata Martino) and Marcos López spoke briefly about the many things that haven't been looked into at Barça for a number of seasons and how it was the renewal of the team that fundamentally pushed Pep Guardiola out of the door. They place a lot of the blame at the feet of Sandro Rosell in how he manipulated the club into acting upon his vision which was all based on marketing and not the good of the club in the sporting sense and then he jumped a sinking ship when things got sticky like a coward. Infact the only one good thing that can be attributed to Rosell was depoliticising the club that Joan Laporta had created during his tenure to levels that were unliveable. But Laporta in the sporting sense was excellent and unfortunately thought he could also use the club to become a beacon of "Catalan Separatism" and a tool to push his political career. Guardiola wanted Cesc Fábregas out (he didn't sign him), he got upset about the sale of Chigrynskiy, he didn't want Dani Alves at the club anymore and he had already given Piqué an ultimatum in terms of his professionalism toward his career off the field (Guardiola thought his off the field celebrity status was destroying his level and affecting the team). There were many other things and I'm not just saying this because I'm trying to produce a Guardiola defence post. Just stating it because these and many aspects are the ones that have been the "dry rot" in the first team at Barça. The answers are in the club and they start with using what no other football club has in the world which is La Masia.

 

 

Alves was one of the better signings(but there has been tons of shit bought in the last 5/6 years) it's just a fact that his time is up. He's not good enough anymore yet is still on massive wages, his attitude is appalling and the shit he has spoken of in the media recently dissing the fans, etc has won him many enemies. Time to go for Alves with Montoya stepping in.

 

 

Some of the best signings during this time period for me were actually the likes of Keita. Obviously Alba is brilliant as well(what a player), Pique was a steal(might have been patchy lately but was very important in Pep's era), Villa, for me, was also a good signing despite it not lasting long. The problem there was that he was bought a year too late for me. But then there are the Chigrynskiys, Ibras, Cescs, Hlebs, Songs, etc. Cesc seems to play brilliantly in the first half of the season but then he can't keep up with the pace, does very little and never performs in the big games. He's not lived up to the hype at all.

 

As for Neymar, he's young and this season was a learning period. Before injury he showed his class but just hasn't gotten into it since. Certainly a talent though and will improve. He needs a little patience, as, despite the fee he's still very young and has just moved to a new continent. It would be better to judge him next season.

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Cruyffists would like to see the coach of Brighton & Hove Albion as Barça coach.

 

So-so player, I don't know a thing about his coaching career at all.

 

Anyways, cruyffists don't hold the power these days.

 

 

Óscar?  I think he would be a great coach... But not yet!  He is heading for great things though... ;)

 

Didn't know I was a "Cruyffista" :lol:

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Just heard on the radio that the real favourite for the coach's job next season at Barcelona is very possibly gonna be Ernesto Valverde coach of Athletic Bilbao.  He has been doing massively well as a coach in recent seasons and is an ex-Barcelona player, so knows what that's all about.

 

At the moment it is only rumours and if Athletic qualify for the Champions League, I'm sure the club will fight to keep their coach.  But the lure of Barcelona is massive for someone like him!

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Just heard on the radio that the real favourite for the coach's job next season at Barcelona is very possibly gonna be Ernesto Valverde coach of Athletic Bilbao.  He has been goring massively as a coach in recent seasons and is an ex-Barcelona player, so knows what that's all about.

 

At the moment it is only rumours and if Athletic qualify for the Champions League, I'm sure the club will fight to keep their coach.  But the lure of Barcelona is massive for someone like him!

 

Valverde is another cruyffist!!! 

 

Leave him in Bilbao, for god's sake!!! :shakehead:  

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Yeah leave Valverde at Athletic, I agree. They are a competitive team under him and I'm not sure he'd even be the man for Barcelona either.


 

Puyol should take charge.

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Valverde is another cruyffist!!! 

 

Leave him in Bilbao, for god's sake!!! :shakehead:  

 

 

Do you think that Bartomeu is doing everything possible to get into Cruyff's good books?  They're even going to talk about Cruyff getting back his "president of honour" status.

Yeah leave Valverde at Athletic, I agree. They are a competitive team under him and I'm not sure he'd even be the man for Barcelona either.

 

Puyol should take charge.

 

 

Honestly mate...  Puyol won't take that job!  Not now at least...  The names being put into the mix according to the press are Valverde (looking more and more favourite), Luis Enrique, De Boer and even Simeone (although that one is impossible).

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Do you think that Bartomeu is doing everything possible to get into Cruyff's good books?  They're even going to talk about Cruyff getting back his "president of honour" status.

 

 

Honestly mate...  Puyol won't take that job!  Not now at least...  The names being put into the mix according to the press are Valverde (looking more and more favourite), Luis Enrique, De Boer and even Simeone (although that one is impossible).

 

I don't know. Future is fuzzy. Too many variables. In first place the trade ban. Second one, are they going to keep Zubi after all? I told you before that a surprise election process could be in the makings, because there are no rivals, but Barça board are currently so rotten that they could lose a voting to any average Joe.

 

So then, possibly Bartomeu will choose to keep their rule.And then, realign with Cruyff? Cruyff could be very poisonous dealing with the Messi and Neymar ego-clashing. I frankly don't know, but I hope that Athletic keep their manager if they qualify for the Champions League.

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I don't know. Future is fuzzy. Too many variables. In first place the trade ban. Second one, are they going to keep Zubi after all? I told you before that a surprise election process could be in the makings, because there are no rivals, but Barça board are currently so rotten that they could lose a voting to any average Joe.

 

So then, possibly Bartomeu will choose to keep their rule.And then, realign with Cruyff? Cruyff could be very poisonous dealing with the Messi and Neymar ego-clashing. I frankly don't know, but I hope that Athletic keep their manager if they qualify for the Champions League.

 

 

I agree...  The future does look fuzzy, but that doesn't mean negative for me because one of the main actions the club has to take issue on is the players they have to let go.  If Barcelona after they appeal to the international arbitrators doesn't get a reprieve for a couple of months (the signs are that they will) then Barça will obviously go into transition and if they let go of certain players, then they can push the young ones in and I have a feeling it will work!  Not saying Barcelona will be extremely competitive next season if this is the case, but something special can be in the making again.  This is just a personal opinion!

 

As for the situation with the board of directors I totally agree there because like you say there isn't an opposition right now, at least none with sufficient power to be a positive enough move.  All of this what happened with Sandro Rosell in the Neymar/gate situation and some other factors has taken everybody by surprise and that's where the suspicions of someone outside Barcelona having something to do with it all (not that it matters anyhow because what's done is done and if you have nothing to hide, then you don't have a problem).  But it is important because usually the people in the background of these clubs know what's going on elsewhere.  There is obviously a powerful enemy who was hurt by something!

 

As for the Cruyff scenario...  Honestly!  I know he can be poisonous, but at Barcelona it's better to have him on your side and right in there than against you.  The amount of directors that have gone by the waste side at Barcelona due to his meddling from the outskirts is tremendous.  He has to be moved back in again because it's more beneficial and he knows everything there is to know about Barcelona's way of doing things.  What's important for me though is that La Masia is protected to the max!  That's the saviour of Barcelona in every aspect.

 

The man who has come out worse in all of this is the cowardly Sandro Rosell!  What a way to abandon ship!  COWARD!

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I agree...  The future does look fuzzy, but that doesn't mean negative for me because one of the main actions the club has to take issue on is the players they have to let go.  If Barcelona after they appeal to the international arbitrators doesn't get a reprieve for a couple of months (the signs are that they will) then Barça will obviously go into transition and if they let go of certain players, then they can push the young ones in and I have a feeling it will work!  Not saying Barcelona will be extremely competitive next season if this is the case, but something special can be in the making again.  This is just a personal opinion!

 

As for the situation with the board of directors I totally agree there because like you say there isn't an opposition right now, at least none with sufficient power to be a positive enough move.  All of this what happened with Sandro Rosell in the Neymar/gate situation and some other factors has taken everybody by surprise and that's where the suspicions of someone outside Barcelona having something to do with it all (not that it matters anyhow because what's done is done and if you have nothing to hide, then you don't have a problem).  But it is important because usually the people in the background of these clubs know what's going on elsewhere.  There is obviously a powerful enemy who was hurt by something!

 

As for the Cruyff scenario...  Honestly!  I know he can be poisonous, but at Barcelona it's better to have him on your side and right in there than against you.  The amount of directors that have gone by the waste side at Barcelona due to his meddling from the outskirts is tremendous.  He has to be moved back in again because it's more beneficial and he knows everything there is to know about Barcelona's way of doing things.  What's important for me though is that La Masia is protected to the max!  That's the saviour of Barcelona in every aspect.

 

The man who has come out worse in all of this is the cowardly Sandro Rosell!  What a way to abandon ship!  COWARD!

 

Yeah, I know about Cruyff, but there is a hefty amount of money invested in Messi and Neymar. Knowing those sandristas cunts I don't think they would risk their investment approaching Cruyff.

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So Sandrito has finally come out of the closet!  hmmm... :lol:

 

I personally think both Neymar will be alright, but as for Messi, I don't know what's going on there and the curious thing is that even people like Josep Maria Minguella who I read and listen to religiously and knows it from the darkest corners of the Camp Nou says he is bemused at the Messi scenario.

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Apparently the new Barcelona shirt for the season 2014-2015 has been leaked and it seems the stripes have gone back to the traditional wider look which I personally like and not so many thinner stripes.

 

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Rafinha needs to join the squad next season. It's got to be done if the transfer ban isn't reserved, which I don't think it will be.

 

 

He will get the chances also I think as a player like he is probably needed right now and certainly will be next season.


Then again another year in Vigo(where he will be guaranteed a start every week) might be  the most ideal in stead of rushing him. Either way, he's a real talent.

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