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Jay-Z as said his classic album The Blueprint is the best record of the noughties.

The 2001 LP has been up there on many magazine and website lists recently released and the rapper seems to agree with the praise. He said: “Do I have a favourite album of the decade? Oh man, let's see. That's very difficult. The Blueprint would be my favourite.”

However Jay did explain that aside from his own work he’d go for his mate Kanye West's second disc.

He said: “Other than my album, maybe Graduation.

So far in the Noughties round ups Uncut name The White Stripes White Blood Cells as the best record, The Times went for Radiohead's Kid A and NME plumped for The Strokes Is This It.

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I agree about his album :P , not so sure about graduation, a good album but better albums out there.

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I agree with him, it is class. Graduation is also a top album, so he's right again :thumbsup:

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I think of 10 better albums than The Blueprint.

Go on then, give us the 10.

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Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP

Common - Be

Dr Dre - 2001

Kanye West - College Dropout

Outkast - Stankonia

Nas - Untitled

Nas - Stillmatic

Scarface - The Fix

Ghostface Killah - Fishscale

That's who I can think of off the top of my head at the moment, i'll think of one more when I return.

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Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP - Nice call

Common - Be - Eww

Dr Dre - 2001 - Another good call

Kanye West - College Dropout - Nice album, agree

Outkast - Stankonia - HELL NO!!!

Nas - Untitled - 2 0r 3 good tracks, can't match any of the Blueprints

Nas - Stillmatic - same as untitled

Scarface - The Fix - Very good call, but I won't say better than blueprint

Ghostface Killah - Fishscale - :roll:

3 albums there I'd say would give any of the blueprint trilogy a run, other not a chance.

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'Be' isn't actually that bad an album. Common, while not quite the best, is a decent artist.

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The Eminem and Dre albums are good calls.. Kanyes best album is Graduation in my opinion..

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Jay-Z is an absolute wanker, very good rapper don't get me wrong but still a prick. Anything Eminem has ever done is better than the new Blueprint which is an appalling album with about 2 or 3 good tracks. Jay-Z needs to retire now he's getting repetitive and is way behind other rappers in lyrical content.

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Jay-Z is an absolute wanker, very good rapper don't get me wrong but still a prick. Anything Eminem has ever done is better than the new Blueprint which is an appalling album with about 2 or 3 good tracks. Jay-Z needs to retire now he's getting repetitive and is way behind other rappers in lyrical content.

Prick in what way?, please do tell.

As for saying anything Em's done is better than the new blueprint album, I dispute that and not only because I like him as an artist, but because you're wrong. I won't go on about Blueprint 1 and 2 as you said the "new" blueprint.

"Run This Town", "Empire State of Mind", "A Star Is Born", "On To The Next One", "Young Forever", "Hate", "Already Home", "D.O.A. (Death of Auto-Tune)", "Thank You", "Venus vs. Mars"..., hell this is like the whole album. Go listern to these with an open mind, these are all very good tracks mate and all in the new blueprint.

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lol he obviously just doesn't like him.. it is a very good album.. with quite a few decent tracks.

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Jay-Z is an absolute wanker, very good rapper don't get me wrong but still a prick. Anything Eminem has ever done is better than the new Blueprint which is an appalling album with about 2 or 3 good tracks. Jay-Z needs to retire now he's getting repetitive and is way behind other rappers in lyrical content.

He's not a "very good rapper" at all. He stole his style from Big L, after L died. Nearly every song he makes these days, have cheesy R&B singers on the hook. He sounds absolutly horrible live, has shit lyrics and his flow isn't half as good as it was 10/15 years ago.

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Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP

Common - Be

Dr Dre - 2001

Kanye West - College Dropout

Outkast - Stankonia

Nas - Untitled

Nas - Stillmatic

Scarface - The Fix

Ghostface Killah - Fishscale

That's who I can think of off the top of my head at the moment, i'll think of one more when I return.

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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/eminem-named-decades-top-artist-by-billboard-magazine/story-e6frf7jx-1225809519841

LOL. Eminem owns Jay-Z any day. Just listen to the remix of Forever. That single verse is better than any of the songs in the new cd by Jay-Z.

Argueable..., personally I'd say hard to tell.

He's not a "very good rapper" at all. He stole his style from Big L, after L died. Nearly every song he makes these days, have cheesy R&B singers on the hook. He sounds absolutly horrible live, has shit lyrics and his flow isn't half as good as it was 10/15 years ago.

Really??? Big L? Had you said Biggie I'd say ok, and even at that he says he pops in a few Biggie's line as a sign of respect and his memory. And Cheesy r&b singers? Well he's done far more tracks without collabos and they've become hits. And live, well you know not what you say, as I've been to his life performance and he wowed everyone in the concert...., shit lyics, boy go take a nap :lol: , and he's gotten better which is why is still very much in the frame after all these years, alot of the old skool rappers are living on past glory and really ain't making it as big as Jay-Z has..., the most number 1 artist of all time, a feat for a rapper going by the reputation rappers have you'd never expect one to get close to Elvis (the man who held the record of most number 1 albums), less surpass him...., give credit to who credit is due, he's the king!!!

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Argueable..., personally I'd say hard to tell.

Eminem has a better flow than Jay-Z in my opinion. He can make a fast or slow delivery and still be fire and that is something that Jay-Z can't do. Also, Eminem has a variety of topics to rap about and Jay-Z does not.

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Eminem has a better flow than Jay-Z in my opinion. He can make a fast or slow delivery and still be fire and that is something that Jay-Z can't do. Also, Eminem has a variety of topics to rap about and Jay-Z does not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a24QEq-Ev6c

Jay-Z fast

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u5eLHS3Yho

Jay-Z slow

..., so what's your point???

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Eminem seems to be a bit repetitive to me, his mum, kids taking what he says to heart, people in authority not wanting kids to listen to him, whilst they're good songs, they're still quite predictable.

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and he's gotten better which is why is still very much in the frame after all these years, alot of the old skool rappers are living on past glory and really ain't making it as big as Jay-Z has..., the most number 1 artist of all time, a feat for a rapper going by the reputation rappers have you'd never expect one to get close to Elvis (the man who held the record of most number 1 albums), less surpass him...., give credit to who credit is due, he's the king!!!

Being a great MC or rapper, doesn't have to translate in to commercial success. Look at all the terrible rappers that are mainstream these days. Being famous is no indication of rapping prowess.

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Jay-Z- "My Album Is Decade's Best"

Die.

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Being a great MC or rapper, doesn't have to translate in to commercial success. Look at all the terrible rappers that are mainstream these days. Being famous is no indication of rapping prowess.

Very true, which is why most can't keep up, 1 or 2 good albums and they die off, Jay-z's been for decades, 2 to be precise and still hot in the game, even the Ice-cubes, Dr. Dres couldn't keep up with albums after albums, just shows he's remained consistent in the game and achieved so much while in it too, again, give props to who props is due.

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Don't get me wrong, I do respect Jay Z, especially his old stuff, his lyrics weren't the best, but his flow was absolutly flawless. He had an amazing flow. He still does have a good flow, but doesn't express it in the same way, as he did. He is probably more lyrical now though, but has seemed to have gone "softer" over the years. It makes money and you have got to respect someone for that, but as a sound to my ears, I don't feel him like I did in the 90's. He is definitely much more talented than 50 cent and co. Nas went a similar way, but I still like more Nas stuff than Jay Z, although Nas was much better in his Illmatic days, when Hip hop was at its peak.

The thing is, I used to rate more of his songs than hate, but now I hate more of his new stuff than I rate. If you get what I mean?

As for Dre, I've never really rated him as a rapper, but he is amazing at making beats and has 2 very good albums out, cronic being the best, for me.

I personally think Kool G Rap is the king of rap, because he has been active since the 80's and although he isn't the most well known of rappers(but i bet every rapper in the world will know him and rap fans alike), he has it all a talented rapper can have. And he is forever on collaberations with various rappers, whether they are mainstream or underground.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=0MLbmtDuWD0

Jay Z's flow on this, is an example, from back in the day :wub: .

It is very similar to Big L's flow though(who was a good friend of Jay Z), nobody can deny it!

Haha talking of that song, look how young Shyheim is on it. Easily the best kid rapper ever(from when he was a kid, obviously). I've got his album somewere here, from when he was about 14 years old. Definitely pisses all over crap like lil bow wow, he was actually talented.

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Nevwer heard that in my life.. and don't even know most of them. But i love it! Jay Z is class there aswell. Love that tune man! :wub:

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Nevwer heard that in my life.. and don't even know most of them. But i love it! Jay Z is class there aswell. Love that tune man! :wub:

For some reason though, it misses half of each rappers verses out :wacko: . probably to cut it down for a video, but i'll send you the full song on msn.

Out of all them Big Daddy Kane is a legend(but don't listen to him). Jay Z, Ol' Dirty Bastard and Shyheim are only ones I've ever listen to fully.

But that scoob on there, is the one who did the live freestyle with Biggie and 2pac(Shyheim is on that as a kid aswell), if you've ever heard that.

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yeah, I recall that tune, pretty nice. But like Jay-Z said in what we talking about "People keep talkin' bout Hov take it back, I'm doin' better than before Why would I do that?", he really IS doing better than before, commercial-wise, rating-wise, industrial-wise, worldwide known and still up there in the game, so why would he go back to how he used to rap when the current times agree with what he's doing? Makes no sense to me. Possibly why he's up there because of he ability to adapt and inter-change to the changes of people's demands in the music industry. Millions of rappers would sish they can enjoy half the success he's having so he MUST be doing something right.

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[eminem]

there they go, back in stadiums

as shady spits his flow

nuts they go, macadamia they go so balistic whoa,

we can make them look like boso’s,

he’s wondering if he should spit this slow,

fuck no go for broke,

his cup just runneth over oh no

he aint had a buzz like this since the last time he overdosed

they’ve been waiting patiently for pinocchio to poke his nose

back into the game and they know

rap will never be the same as before

bashing in the brains of these hoes

and establishing a name as he goes

the passion and the flame is ignited

you can’t put it out once we light it

this shit is exactly what the fuck i’m talking about when we riot

you dealin with a few true villians

whose staying inside of the booth truth spillin

and spit true feelings, till our tooth fillings come flying up out of our mouths

now rewind it

payback muthafucka for the way you got at me so how’s it taste?

when i slap the taste out your mouth with the bass so loud that it shakes the place

i’m hannibal lecter so just in case your thinking of saving face

you aint gonna have no face to save by the time im through with this place

so play some Drake

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Kanye, Lil Wayne, and Drake don't compare to Eminem in that song.

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Yeah, but Gooner, thats my point. He has sold out to the pop charts now, so if his albums gets rated "best rap album", in the POP music world, it isn't really relivant, when talking about the rap world. He used to have alot more origionality and expressed raw talent on a mic. Wereas now, he just makes songs and sounds exacly the same as Kanye West. They all rap in a similar "soft" flow and say more or less the same shit. The albums sell due to having "cathy" songs on the cds, rather than from expressing raw mic talent.

There is nothing wrong with the way he's gone, as he is making money. But that still doesn't make someone the best rapper, because he is mainly directed at pop music fans, rather than die hard hip hop fans, these days. Rap's alot more expanded than MTV and E4 on a Saturday afternoone.

His albums not bad and out of all the mainstream rappers, he is definitely one of the best and obviously is a very talented man. But nowere near one of the best rappers, as a whole, when you take underground rappers into consideration, when talking on the matter.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=OYIsa_u_C-s

Thats another example of when he was good.

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Your arguement is like the "who's better - Biggie or Pac?", when we all know they are 2 different rappers good at what they both did. Jay-z has never been hardcore rapper as you think he was, if you say he rapped more of gangsterism, coke/drug, women and how he'll make money, fine! But you don't expect him to rap about those when he's past that stage mate. Now he raps more of his wealth, how he USED to be poor and how he struggled to success, how rich he is, his luxury life style and a few big-boy diss here and there at those haters. His albums have been like a series, i'e from rags to riches, and if you go back to his 1st album (reasonable doubt) to his recent one (blue print 3) you'd see the stages I'm talking about. I'd raise my eye brows if he still raps about gangster, drug dealings, wanting women, hustle..., because he's past those stages.

It's kinda like Eminem and 50, one thing I get bored about them is the fact that they tend to take cheap shots at people to sell their records, especially 50 who constantly looks forbeefs then go make an album out to sell - always beefing artists. Eminem throws his at boybands, female pop stars and homosexuals, which is usually a cliche in all his albums - FAHT!!! - but I hand it to them, especially my white boy EM, they have been consistent, a bit ify on 50 though.

As for not being the best rapper alive, your opinion really, so is mine to being other wise, I just can't see any better than him at the moment, with Eminem the only one close to him.

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Jay-Z is a funny guy. He really is.

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Eminem is a beast, he even outshined Jay on his own song:

Since I'm in a position to talk to these kids and they listen

I ain't no politician but I'll kick it with 'em a minute

Cause see they call me a menace; and if the shoe fits I'll wear it

But if it don't, then y'all'll swallow the truth grin and bear it

Now who's these king of these rude ludicrous lucrative lyrics

Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics

usin his music to steer it sharin his views in his marriage

But there's a huge interference - they're sayin you shouldn't hear it

Maybe it's hatred I spew, maybe it's food for the spirit

Maybe it's beautiful music I made for you to just cherish

But I'm debated disputed hated and viewed in America

as a motherfuckin drug addict - like you didn't experiment?

Now now, that's when you start to stare at who's in the mirror

and see yourself as a kid again, and you get embarrased

And I got nothin to do but make you look stupid as parents

You fuckin do-gooders - too bad you couldn't do good at marriage!

(Ha ha!) And do you have any clue what I had to do to get here I don't

think you do so stay tuned and keep your ears glued to the stereo

Cause here we go - he's {*Jigga joint Jigga-chk-Jigga*}

And I'm the sinister, Mr. Kiss-My-Ass it's just the

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^^ Just because Nas said so, everyone's using that line. Even Jay acknowledged his flow on Renegade as he stated in A Star Is Born, "but what Em did was silly, the white boy blossomed after Dre endorsed him, his flow on Renegade, f-cking awesome, Applaud him!"

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Kanye, Lil Wayne, and Drake don't compare to Eminem in that song.

No rapper compares to Eminem right now.

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I cannot believe we agree on something!?! :what: :lol:

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This for example:-

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=iP6j7vLF_Ac

Don't get me wrong is a decent tune, for the reasons that its catchy, but the flow is absolutly shit, lyrics are wank and the singing makes it sound too much of an R&B sound. He sounds like Kanye west, 50 cent, etc, on this tune, with his singing type flow and average delivery.

If we are talking mainsteam(not including the more underground artists), then Eminem is probably the only one worth listening to right now. 50 cent, Wayne, Kanye, Jay Z, etc, they're all wank. All they do is rap about bling bling, hoes and stupid shit which has been rapped about a zillion times over by zillions of rappers for decades, in the exact same signing type, boring flow. It sounds awfull and its just commercial, medialized(is that the right word?), watered down R&B crap, which is directed at pop fans and not rap fans. No orgionality, shit R&B hooks, average lyrics and flow....I could go on all day, criticizing these cranks...But it's all about tastes and opinions really.

Eminem is still quality though, he comes hard, its just a shame he raps with ALOT of wanks these days, as he still has the raw sound to his flow and style:-

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