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Who do you think it is, it's Mike Tyson for me; to win the title at such a young age and to demonstrate such power in his performances is admirable. I think if him and Muhammed Ali had the chance to fight, Tyson would make mince-meat out of him. Tyson is raw power were as Ali was more of a mover. So who do you think the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time is?

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Buster Douglas...

The man who knocked the rapist out.

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It is too hard to compare boxers from different times against each other, Ali had the moves, Tyson was a hard hitter, but like Valuev has the height, every boxer can have a bad day, plus boxing has changed over the years, there is more protection now than there used to be, so that is another factor

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Who do you think it is, it's Mike Tyson for me; to win the title at such a young age and to demonstrate such power in his performances is admirable. I think if him and Muhammed Ali had the chance to fight, Tyson would make mince-meat out of him. Tyson is raw power were as Ali was more of a mover. So who do you think the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time is?

I used to think the same but i've soon realised speed and skill prevails over power. Ali would play mind games with Tyson and get into his head easily. Lets not forget boxers back in the days used to box a lot more rounds so Ali would have the edge in endurance and wait till the later rounds to finish Tyson off.

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Sugar ray Leonard.

the thread says best heavyweight i think you will find that sugar ray was welterweight/middleweight

anyway back to the topic for me its between joe louis and muhammed ali and its very very close but i think ali just shades it because if they both fought in thier prime i think ali would beat louis because louis always struggled against 'stick and move' fighters and theres no ' stick and move' fighter better than ali

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Ali, absolutely hands down.

He is a level above the likes of; Tyson, Frazier, Lewis, Foreman, Holyfield, Liston, Patterson etc and these are all fantastic boxers but Ali is simply impassable in my book.

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don't make me laugh i can think of at least 10 people that were better than him

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Tyson is raw power, he's untouchable in that state. He won and lost the heavyweight title in his early 20's, Chris Eubank would never have been world champion had Iron Mike been in prison. When Lewis knocked out Tyson his career was coming to an end, that would have never happened in Mike's prime.

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I used to think the same but i've soon realised speed and skill prevails over power. Ali would play mind games with Tyson and get into his head easily.

Tyson would simply eat him alive. :lol:

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Cassius Marcellus Clay, Jr / Muhammed Ali,but i am not sure if he was heavyweight category...

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Ali, absolutely hands down.

He is a level above the likes of; Tyson, Frazier, Lewis, Foreman, Holyfield, Liston, Patterson etc and these are all fantastic boxers but Ali is simply impassable in my book.

Cassius Marcellus Clay, Jr / Muhammed Ali,but i am not sure if he was heavyweight category...

:congrats:

Tyson might be a hard puncher, but we all know he can last long in the ring. Ali is very much flamboyant and would dance tyson to the grounds. He brought the excitement in boxing with his big mouth and style of boxing. i think if they were both to fight in their prime, Ali would edge tyson as he can take punches (Ali) and would drag the rounds till tyson gets tied then knock him out.

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Cassius Clay all the way. I think if him and Tyson were to ever match up it would just be another Rumble in the Jungle. foreman was just like Tyson. Raw, unbridled, strength. If he could land a solid hit you were likely down. But Ali showed that skill and stamina will always triumph over strength. It is a balance over the three that creates a true machine.

Roy Jones Jr. is also one of the best but he only ever fought one Heavyweight bout, he was primarily a middleweight and light-heavy.

But if I had to choose the most pure all around greatest boxer it is either Rocky Marciano or Oscar De la Hoya

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Buster Douglas...

The man who knocked the rapist out.

Manny Ramirez, the man that knocked the rapist out.

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But if I had to choose the most pure all around greatest boxer it is either Rocky Marciano or Oscar De la Hoya

Rocky was a pussy..., he avoided some fights, potentially boxers good enough to knock him out! That's why alot really don't consider him to be the greatest. Yes he retired without a defeat, but there's still that fact which dented him being the greatest.

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Buster Douglas...

The man who knocked the rapist out.

Manny Ramirez, the man that knocked the rapist out.

Do you have a crush on me or something? :mellow:

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Buster Douglas...

The man who knocked the rapist out.

Manny Ramirez, the man that knocked the rapist out.

Do you have a crush on me or something? :mellow:

:lol:

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Ali is perhaps a tiny bit overrated because he talked such a good fight- most boxers are a little messed in the head anyway, so they are prone to mind games i've always thought. Don't know if there is evidence to back that up. So his flair actually gave him a little advantage.

It's hard to do, people tend to favour the past, so i'm suprised Lewis has gotten a few votes. I think people shouldn't forget some unbelieveably good Cubans who weren't allowed to go pro- but then it's even harder to compare them with the other greats.

I've always prefered the middleweights anyway- i'm not sure if Mayweather is better than Sugar Ray, I haven't seen enough of the latter.

On the above post, archetype, I don't think that's her in the avater.

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Joe Louis or Muhammad Ali in my personal opinion.

Young Mike Tyson was very fast with great head movement. His speed combined with punching power was a devastating weapon however the older version had mostly the intimidation factor going for him.

Mike certainly had the potential & all the tools but he never fully realized that potential in my opinion.

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Is there any doubt? Muhammed Ali is the greatest of them all.

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there is doubt because there have been some great heavyweights but your right ali is the greatest of them all

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Lennox Lewis for me, he was argubly the best in the world for an entire decade.

What i like about Lewis the most was his fight against the disgracefully bias yanks who run boxing. (before people jump the gun i am talking about the americans who run it, who will do whatever they can to raise the arm of an american, not the american public in general because even they turned on the "leaders" decisions)

You've gotta be on the wind up, I aint knocking Lewis but to claim he's better than the Likes of Ali and many greta boxers in that era is just laughable.

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obv even tyson was better lewis just fought him at lewis' peak and tyson had past his if they fought in each others peak tyson would of wiped the floor with him

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obv even tyson was better lewis just fought him at lewis' peak and tyson had past his if they fought in each others peak tyson would of wiped the floor with him

Your correct tyson was a nockout in is time and lewis ducked tyson for a long time.

Only one great heavyweight of all time no one can match him he gave the fans value for money and is a credit to the sport .. The greatest of all time .. Float like a butterfly sting like a bee .. Muhammad Ali.

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obv even tyson was better lewis just fought him at lewis' peak and tyson had past his if they fought in each others peak tyson would of wiped the floor with him

Mike Tyson disagrees with you.

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Certainly does Lennox is a tank would of beaten Tyson in his prime

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Sugar ray robinson

Boxing record

Total fights 202

Wins 175

Wins by KO 108

Losses 19

Draws 6

No contests 2

when ali has a record like that, then he can be called the greatest!!

edit: sorry i didn't read the topic title properly. he was a middleweight/light heavyweight rather than a heavyweight. So yeah, probably ali the greatest heavyweight, either him or rocky marciano for me. But if Tyson never lost his way theres no doubt he could have been the greatest. Back in his prime the man was an animal. The thing with Mike is, he hit his prime at too young of an age. being a millionaire by the age of 19 is bound to spell disaster what with all the woman and drugs you'll be around in that "celebrity" lifestyle

the best pound for pound ever though was Sugar Ray Robinson in my opinion. He used to have 3 fights a week at times!

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Tyson had the quickest head movements of anyone to ever wear the gloves, plus he backed up with heavy hitting. If both Ali & Tyson had a fight in there prime, Tyson could easily move & dodge most of Ali's punches.

Tyson for my vote, had everything a boxer needed.

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Muhammad Ali hands down fast, good chin and could adapt his style to each opponent Tyson could only fight one way. Also the heavyweight division was at it's strongest when Ali was boxing. He's been in with Liston, patterson, Frazier, Norton, Foreman and others Archie Moore, Cleveland Williams and Zora Foley. No other Heavyweight has beaten such quality fighters. What was Tyson's toughest opponent in his prime, Michael Spinks? A blown up light heavyweight.

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Ali went to decisions with Earnie Shavers, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton (all heavy ass hitters) and won. To suggest that Ali couldn't take Tyson's punches is a little ignorant. Earnie Shavers is said to be the hardest hitter boxing as ever seen.

I'd like to see Vitali Klitscko fight some top contenders and do it more often (Note: He will be fighting Juan Carlos Gomez next month for the WBC title). He has a very good record and his only losses came to an in prime Chris Byrd where Vitali had to stop fighting because he injured his shoulder and the other loss was against Lennox Lewis where he got cut. If you watch the fight against Lewis, Vitali was landing a lot of punches and he looked to be winning the fight.

Wlad gets a lot more attention obviously for being IBF, WBO, IBO heavyweight champ and beating some top contenders. I've watched both brothers fight and I find Vitali to be the more impressive of the two.

It's probably a bit too early to be calling either man the greatest ever.

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I've always admired Tyson as a boxer, his KOs were out of the planet. What a shame he ended like that. But if he fought Ali, in my opinion Ali would get the upper hand. He's the greatest.

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Lewis was a class act and had everything, I liked the way he avenged his only two defeats in style. At the end of the day all these people saying a prime Tyson would crush Lewis I am not so sure, what big names did Tyson actually beat in his prime? he was destroyed by Dougless at 24. Lewis would grind him down and score a late KO in my opinion.

Look at who Ali fought in his career and then compare him to Tyson, It is obvious who the greatest is.

Cant wait for Haye vs Klitschko coming up in June as the heavyweight divison is full of bums at the moment and needs to be cleaned up. Just as it was when a prime Tyson was dominating.

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How can any heavyweight beat this record...he was and is the best of all time.

from 1946 to 1956. this boxer

with forty-three knockouts to his credit (87.8% knockout rate), remains the only heavyweight champion in boxing history to retire with a perfect record (49-0-0)having won every fight in his professional career.

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rocky marciona

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Sugar ray robinson

Boxing record

Total fights 202

Wins 175

Wins by KO 108

Losses 19

Draws 6

No contests 2

when ali has a record like that, then he can be called the greatest!!

edit: sorry i didn't read the topic title properly. he was a middleweight/light heavyweight rather than a heavyweight. So yeah, probably ali the greatest heavyweight, either him or rocky marciano for me. But if Tyson never lost his way theres no doubt he could have been the greatest. Back in his prime the man was an animal. The thing with Mike is, he hit his prime at too young of an age. being a millionaire by the age of 19 is bound to spell disaster what with all the woman and drugs you'll be around in that "celebrity" lifestyle

the best pound for pound ever though was Sugar Ray Robinson in my opinion. He used to have 3 fights a week at times!

Now that is very impressive, a true fighter fighting week in week out, not none of this every 6 months bullshit.

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Muhammed Ali...

But Mike Tyson certainnly had the talent but ruined it all.....

The best fighter ever entering a ring is in my opinion Mike Tyson, when he fought Michael Spinks.

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